Last Updated on December 11, 2011
Hi Debbie,
I have just now sat down to reread your email and respond as requested and as I said I would.
I read and understand that you have been exploring “all this” for 30+ years. That’s great. If I may, I would like to add that — and I am sure you know as well as I do — this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg as far as how much “time” you appear to have spent immersed in matters of the spirit here on this amazing planet and elsewhere within the grand scheme of things. Your entire blessed journey has spanned out of a great deal of what we call “time”, and yet in God’s “eyes” I am sure it all took place like a flash in a pan.
I read and understand from your email that in your experience there is great importance in the balance of the masculine and feminine principles within creation — and I would agree with that. I also come away with the impression that perhaps you have interpreted from what I write that this balance/dance is missing or perhaps not emphasised enough. Is that what you were saying?
In my experience what we call male and female is a product of the Dream we have created. I do not mean to say, however, that this element of the collective story has arisen out of nowhere. In my experience there is a masculine/feminine principle at work as levels far “higher” (for lack of a better word in English) and far more subtle than the realms in which humanity is primarily aware — solely aware for most. Yet I get the impression that all that is also part of the Dream. It’s part of what “I” as an extension of God have through the power vested in that which I Am by God have dreamt up. In saying this I do not wish to give the impression that I therefore invalidate it. In my world everything that is of matter and meta-matter is valid for it is a creation of that which I Am. It is valid, yet it perhaps does NOT exist in the Vision of God. — oh, and when I say “God” I am not referring to a God that is the opposite polarity of what we call Goddess. To me “God” has no “gender” associated with it, although I am very aware of just how powerfully infused into the mental interpretation of that world is the idea of God as Male/Father.
As I experience it the masculine and feminine principles of creation arises in that which has extended out from God (which is neither). This is of course a matter of clarification of the terms being used. This is my approach to these terms.
I could also say that there is, within this grand dream what I could label the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine Principles — or the Divine Father and Divine Mother. To me these do Divine principles are inseparable within the human experience of Reality and it has perhaps been the denial of each of these at different stages within the human experience — over the course of “time” and through the journey in “space” — that has resulted in much of the pain that humanity experiences.
To me the Divine Feminine is not something I can easily put into words. It is perhaps best expressed in art, music, dance, or abstraction of self into the Divine (through meditation or merging with the Earth or something to that effect). So far when I try to put it into words it is immediately “mascalininsed” for that is the nature of “The Word”. I could add that in my experience I would say that it is something that can be imparted through the use of words face-to-face… the words serving as a carrier (the Masculine Principle providing “structure”) of the “feeling” that goes with the words.
It is my preference at this stage to expressed as I do, knowing that when people get back in touch with their feelings (sub to emotion and thought) then they are immediately and directly engaged with an aspect of or doorway into the Divine Feminine principle.
As I write this I am getting the impression that this is perhaps why the “feminine principle” as seemingly been missed out of much of the spiritual paths in the world in recent years. It’s not that it was skipped, but rather that the masculine principle is far better expressed within the constructs of language, and then if deep realisation should arise through what is expressed in that use of language the person/recipient will end up having direct experience of the feminine principle. The Feminine principle by nature is something that lurks in the “dark” and remains hidden from sight and perception. It has to be felt directly. When the “recipient” (“he” in this example) is ready (i.e.. open, surrendered, willing, and receptive enough) then the Goddess envelops him in her dark moist divine/cosmic Yoni, draws him into her eternal womb (which is a dark yet powerfully creative “place”) and he dissolves into his own non-existence. From that place, when the Divine Mother is finished with him (he has dissolved back into God/Love/Light and only the “Seed” of truth remains) then the recipient (now the Initiate) is reborn – a seed (Christ – the “Son”) germinated into the “fertile soils” of the Divine Mother, planted there by the Divine Father.
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I actually don’t feel I have a clear sense of what it is you believe is “missing” from my experience of Reality, and the point you are therefore trying to make clear to me. If you can elaborate then please do. I am quite open to sharing in this way and hence the sense of possible defensiveness or “uncertain approach” in the opening paragraphs of your email can be laid to rest for their purpose has been served and — may I say — can now dissolve.
There is much that you say which through my own experience I would concur with.
There are a few things that don’t resonate as “Truth” for me. This may simply be that I have not clearly understood what you are intending to express through these statements. There are also a few statements made about things I have said or claimed or implied yet I am not sure what you’ve understood and hence are referring to.
I shall paste all these various statements here:
** “the existence of the state of being that you promote” – please describe what you have understood to be the “state of being I promote”
** “It was not the enlightenment that you speak of” — what is “the enlightenment” you believe I speak of?
** “there is, therefore, ‘male’ and ‘female’ within God” — based on the clarification I have given above regarding the word “God” I do not agree with this.
** “The state of enlightenment that you live and describe is the natural masculine state of spirituality” — I am not sure what you are referring to in terms of what I “live and describe”.
** “If the potential for Love existed within Unmanifest Pure Oneness, then the potential for Separation and everything that is associated with it also existed within Unmanifest Oneness. Time and space, love and separation…these are all aspects of God expressed”
My experience differs. As far as I can ascertain and feel EVERYTHING that we see and experience through what the ego-mind calls and create as the “human senses” is part of the dream. God plays no part in that Dream. As far as I can tell this sort of “God” (an “entity” that created the universe) was the product of certain religious philosophies that came into the present epoch of human story about 10 thousand years ago. God is the substance of That which I Am yet it is the “I” (born of God) that has “gone out” and created what we know of as the manifest universe. I have noticed that the ego has great resistance to this notion.
That is all I feel to write for now.
I can see, reading over what I have written, that words fail me when it comes to expressing much of what I have tried to impart here in this email. Hence my reason for choosing the path of assisting people to experiencing IT within. The mind can lead to the heart when it has “right” understanding (of the Clear Vision of God) yet it can know not the nature of the Divine Feminine. That is the function of the heart. The heart can lead to the Clear Vision / Light of the Mind when it is given space to breath and to feel, to rejoice, and to Be as it naturally is, yet the heart can know nothing of the Divine Masculine. The Heart and Mind in their perfect unification provide the means for total direct experience of Absolute Love and Absolute Wisdom – Resulting in Man/Woman living the Vision of God here within the Dream. Through that comes the salvation of the world. That, in my experience, was the blessing presence of Jeshua, and that is what shall arise within the Many as it did with that One.
I give thanks for you taking the time to write and express and dance with me. I love you and thank you for this beautiful gift Debbie.
You are a blessing Presence in this world. May you feel at complete liberty to comment as you wish.
With love,
Jonathan
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